The UnConstitutionality of Citizenship by Birth to Non-Americans


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  1. magicmulder says:

    @anyusmoon1 “Common …
    @anyusmoon1 “Common man is quite capable of understanding right & wrong. Common Law.”

    So “Common man” knew the definition of Vattel and how it differed from the Common Law definition of “natural born”? No. And since he didn’t, why did the Founders put a definition in the Constitution that differed from what “Common man” understood?

    No-one even heard of Vattel until some birfers pulled them out of their hat in 2008. It was always “be born here and become President”, including civics class.

  2. Fudgepackerhunter says:

    @ …
    @KenyanBornObamAcorn – I am trying to stop the lies … yours!

  3. KenyanBornObamAcorn says:

    @Fudgepackerhunter …

    Which is why you should just STOP the lies and face the truth!

  4. KenyanBornObamAcorn says:

    @Fudgepackerhunter …

    You certainly ARE!

  5. Fudgepackerhunter says:

    What a waste of …
    What a waste of time …

  6. Fudgepackerhunter says:

    @ …
    @KenyanBornObamAcorn – … and the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

  7. anyusmoon1 says:

    @magicmulder Your …
    @magicmulder Your comments are meaningless. You make no points for reply. Your debate fails. And what’s amusing is that by invective you hope to win a point or influence people and this is the sad state of affairs in this country. I kick your dust off my shoes.


  8. magicmulder says:

    @magicmulder ” …
    @magicmulder “nullifaction” *oops* make that “nullification”…

  9. magicmulder says:

    @anyusmoon1 “I …
    @anyusmoon1 “I guess jury nullification just drives u WILD huh”

    You are really bad at guessing. However I guess that you totally misunderstand the concept of jury nullifaction, or are indulging on your own delusions as to how many people actually share your crazy views.

  10. anyusmoon1 says:

    @magicmulder as for …
    @magicmulder as for studying, testing and practicing a procedure affecting life and limb that without such tests of competency and oversight would otherwise be a crime is a completely different matter.

  11. anyusmoon1 says:

    @magicmulder lol I …
    @magicmulder lol I guess jury nullification just drives u WILD huh!? Common man is quite capable of understanding right & wrong. Common Law. The point made in my scenario is that most ‘good people’ don’t interface with the law unless they become a victim or have an accident. Most adults are capable of entering into a contract without the assistance of anyone else. Most adults are capable of sustaining themselves and their families independently and without assistance from organizations or gov.

  12. magicmulder says:

    @ …
    @KenyanBornObamAcorn Yes, sure, Obama will be removed any day now… any day now… any… day… now… … …

    Haven’t birthers been saying in 2008 already that “this lawsuit by Orly will have him out of office in 60 days”? Well, we’re still waiting. ;)

    Besides, I couldn’t care less. You’re not going to jail 69 million Obama voters, are you?

  13. magicmulder says:

    @anyusmoon1 “some …
    @anyusmoon1 “some would argue that a married couple here on working visa’s are subject to the laws of the united states but only if they BREAK a law”

    That’s nonsense. You aren’t “not subject to the laws” and then when you break one, you suddenly “become” subject to the laws. I always find it funny when people with no grasp of legal concepts talk about them like they were experts for their entire life – you don’t read a book on surgery and think you’re a surgeon, do you?

  14. KenyanBornObamAcorn says:



    One day, very soon, you will be saying…

    OMG, why didn’t I LISTEN to them!

  15. DABIGRAGU1 says:

    Very nicely done.
    Very nicely done.

  16. KenyanBornObamAcorn says:

    @QuaaludeMidnight …


    BO BO is going down!

  17. KenyanBornObamAcorn says:



    Do you go around talking to yourself, that often?

  18. nvpatentlawyer says:


  19. QuaaludeMidnight says:

    Fools! Yours pleas …
    Fools! Yours pleas for sanity are useless. Things will continue on as planned.

  20. magicmulder says:

    @ …
    @KenyanBornObamAcorn “The dissenting/minority opinions got it 100% right ”

    We know you are selectively relying on anything that “proves” your point, no matter how small the minority holding this view is.

    “the founders views”

    So you know the Founders’ views better than 200+ years of case law and legal scholars. Right.
    So you are the expert on Constitutional Law and the judges are idiots. Right.
    Everything is a huge conspiracy started 200 years ago. Right.

    Delusional much?

  21. magicmulder says:

    @ …
    @KenyanBornObamAcorn “In the view of the minority”

    You don’t get to rely on minority views, just like if you lose a case, you didn’t “really win it because the minority agreed with me”.

  22. KenyanBornObamAcorn says:

    @ …
    (2) Chinese laws of the time which made acquiring a new citizenship or renouncing allegiance to the Chinese emperor a capital crime, and (3) the provisions of the Chinese Exclusion Act making Chinese immigrants already in the United States ineligible for citizenship.
    It’s obvious that the majority did not follow the 14th amendment. Precedence is normally what’s followed, but it shouldn’t be followed, if it WRONG, UNCONSTITUTIONAL or contrary to the founders beliefs!

  23. KenyanBornObamAcorn says:

    @ …

    The dissenters acknowledged that other children of foreigners—including former slaves—had, through the years, acquired U.S. citizenship through birth on U.S. soil. But they still saw a difference between those people and U.S.-born individuals of Chinese ancestry, because of (1) strong cultural traditions discouraging Chinese immigrants from assimilating into mainstream American society…


  24. KenyanBornObamAcorn says:

    @ …

    In the view of the minority, excessive reliance on jus soli (birthplace) as the principal determiner of citizenship would lead to an untenable state of affairs in which “the children of foreigners, happening to be born to them while passing through the country, whether of royal parentage or not, or whether of the Mongolian, Malay or other race, were eligible to the presidency, while children of our citizens, born abroad, were not”


  25. KenyanBornObamAcorn says:

    @ …
    @KenyanBornObamAcorn …excluding Indians not taxed”, and which was enacted into law only two months before the 14th Amendment was proposed by Congress, the minority argued that “it is not open to reasonable doubt that the words ‘subject to the jurisdiction thereof,’ in the amendment, were used as synonymous with the words ‘and not subject to any foreign power’”. They thus reasoned that the majority opinion exactly contradicted the original intended meaning of the 14th Amendment.


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